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		<title>By: Telefizzled w.28 :: OB1og</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 04:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 02:14:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks!  guess it helped I included Farraday in my previous post.  Eleanor!?

My biggest interest is what will Ben remember and how did it change him.  Previous to his near death GSW, we know he met with Richard but we don&#039;t actually know how he joined them later.  So for all we know, things are happening as they already did.

Back to Locke, I still like the theory.  But if he is truly just resurrected, I would simply chalk up to newly gained confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks!  guess it helped I included Farraday in my previous post.  Eleanor!?</p>
<p>My biggest interest is what will Ben remember and how did it change him.  Previous to his near death GSW, we know he met with Richard but we don&#8217;t actually know how he joined them later.  So for all we know, things are happening as they already did.</p>
<p>Back to Locke, I still like the theory.  But if he is truly just resurrected, I would simply chalk up to newly gained confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Apr 2009 01:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good episode. I found the fact that Ethan was with Ben when took Alex interesting. Not to mention he was sent to kill Russo and then didn&#039;t when he saw the baby. She must have delievered by herself! I could see why she went crazy. It was interesting as you say that Ben showed some heart when he wouldn&#039;t kill the baby and told Widemore to do it. Back to Ethan and timeframe which they were in when they took Alex. Ethan looked to be a young a teenager. He also seemed pretty gung ho to &quot;do it&quot; as he said, which I assume meant to kill Russo. But I think this before the purge of the Dhamra folks. I think this because they appear to not have moved into Dharmaville and were still in the woods. So that would mean that Ethan became an other before the purge. I am thinking when Ben goes back to the Dharma folks that he befriends/recruits him. Also, when they show Ben with an older Alex pushing her on the swing they do appear to be living in Dharmaville. 

I sill am somewhat confused by the time travel stuff as Ben either remembered, or maybe he was just told, that he was taken to the Temple to be healed. But he went on his path to leader of the Others before syaid came back and shot him, how would he remember that unless he was remembering for the first time when Locke brought him to the Temple. 

Speaking of Locke I hadn&#039;t thought of Locke as being the monster, and sounds like you and everyone has kind of back off that, but he is definitely enlightened somehow. He is controlling Ben as Ben once controlled him and basically tells him that. He said something along the line of now you know how I felt following you not knowing why...

As for Desmond, I thought he winged him in the right shoulder, when he shot him. He appeared that Desmond landed his most punshing blows with his left hand. So maybe he was a little hurt but was able to rally to kick the crap out of him. I wouldn&#039;t think Ben was able to rally and kill Penny after that... but I am sure Desmond didn&#039;t just sit there and left him float away either...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good episode. I found the fact that Ethan was with Ben when took Alex interesting. Not to mention he was sent to kill Russo and then didn&#8217;t when he saw the baby. She must have delievered by herself! I could see why she went crazy. It was interesting as you say that Ben showed some heart when he wouldn&#8217;t kill the baby and told Widemore to do it. Back to Ethan and timeframe which they were in when they took Alex. Ethan looked to be a young a teenager. He also seemed pretty gung ho to &#8220;do it&#8221; as he said, which I assume meant to kill Russo. But I think this before the purge of the Dhamra folks. I think this because they appear to not have moved into Dharmaville and were still in the woods. So that would mean that Ethan became an other before the purge. I am thinking when Ben goes back to the Dharma folks that he befriends/recruits him. Also, when they show Ben with an older Alex pushing her on the swing they do appear to be living in Dharmaville. </p>
<p>I sill am somewhat confused by the time travel stuff as Ben either remembered, or maybe he was just told, that he was taken to the Temple to be healed. But he went on his path to leader of the Others before syaid came back and shot him, how would he remember that unless he was remembering for the first time when Locke brought him to the Temple. </p>
<p>Speaking of Locke I hadn&#8217;t thought of Locke as being the monster, and sounds like you and everyone has kind of back off that, but he is definitely enlightened somehow. He is controlling Ben as Ben once controlled him and basically tells him that. He said something along the line of now you know how I felt following you not knowing why&#8230;</p>
<p>As for Desmond, I thought he winged him in the right shoulder, when he shot him. He appeared that Desmond landed his most punshing blows with his left hand. So maybe he was a little hurt but was able to rally to kick the crap out of him. I wouldn&#8217;t think Ben was able to rally and kill Penny after that&#8230; but I am sure Desmond didn&#8217;t just sit there and left him float away either&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed: I thought when Ben was booting Widemore he charged him with &quot;secretly&quot; leaving and returning to/from the island for years. How could he do that secretly if on the sub and also, the sub seems to take a long time between trips -- unless those were the Dharma only days -- and wouldn&#039;t they notice him being gone for long periods. Also, given Penny&#039;s age, he&#039;d have to have been coming and going prior to having access to the sub post-purge.

@Aunt Sharon: I later came to the same thought. I think the line is in fact a password given to sleeper operatives on the plane and since Frank couldn&#039;t answer he got the rifle butt to the face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed: I thought when Ben was booting Widemore he charged him with &#8220;secretly&#8221; leaving and returning to/from the island for years. How could he do that secretly if on the sub and also, the sub seems to take a long time between trips &#8212; unless those were the Dharma only days &#8212; and wouldn&#8217;t they notice him being gone for long periods. Also, given Penny&#8217;s age, he&#8217;d have to have been coming and going prior to having access to the sub post-purge.</p>
<p>@Aunt Sharon: I later came to the same thought. I think the line is in fact a password given to sleeper operatives on the plane and since Frank couldn&#8217;t answer he got the rifle butt to the face.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No - the question was asked by the bounty hunter chick to Frank not Alex to Ben.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No &#8211; the question was asked by the bounty hunter chick to Frank not Alex to Ben.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed- I took the &quot; What lies...&quot; as a password kind of thing, like &quot; What&#039;s the frequency, Kenneth?&quot;- or am I dating myself again? When Ben couldn&#039;t answer, then Alex was free to put the hurt on her adopted-but-denied-her daddy!
I&#039;ll bet Locke knows!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed- I took the &#8221; What lies&#8230;&#8221; as a password kind of thing, like &#8221; What&#8217;s the frequency, Kenneth?&#8221;- or am I dating myself again? When Ben couldn&#8217;t answer, then Alex was free to put the hurt on her adopted-but-denied-her daddy!<br />
I&#8217;ll bet Locke knows!</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 12:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right. Now I&#039;ve had a night to think about it and I am totally back pedaling on my Locke is Smokey theory. I&#039;ve asked time and time again. Why do you people read this shite? I&#039;m just the man behind the curtain. Smoke and mirrors, people.

But - there is no question that Locke will play a key role in the island&#039;s design. Remember, he should have been the Chosen One years ago (Richard was present at his birth and later came to him with a test that Locke failed - that&#039;s when he chose the knife and not the compass that Locke would later gift Richard while time traveling). And that set in motion the rise of an impostor - Ben - until the island flexed its muscles and pulled Locke to the island. Of course, Locke deviated once again - journeying off island but not even death could keep him away. And that is why he is back to life. The island needs him and will do anything to keep him alive - including raising him from the dead.

Now to answer some of the questions above:

@Carlos:   I don&#039;t think Widemore wants to step one foot on that island until he knows its safe to do so. He knows what the island is capable of and certainly knows about the judging force that resides below the temple. My take is that Widemore wants to tame the island before he returns - which is probably a very fool hardy move.

As for his money, remember - he runs Widemore Industries. Alpert has Mittelos Bioscience. He&#039;s always had an elite air abouot him but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if he&#039;s used things learned on the island (the unique properties of the island) and found a way to profit from them. 

As for last week&#039;s episode, Alpert said he doesn&#039;t answer to Widemore and Ellie (which is, indeed, Eloise Hawking - who we know is Faraday&#039;s Mom). Which makes me wonder if Mrs. Hawking was booted from the island at some point too?

And this Nimoy casting has piqued my interest. I just threw Fringe in my DVR queue again. 3rd times a charm?

@Sean - Alex clearly told Ben that he WILL listen to everything Locke says and DO everything he is told. I think Ben is being kept alive because he is needed to help Locke along his path.

I think there is indeed, an above ground structure. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if it is minimal by design - with the large, ancient wall obscuring what is on the other side. I bet we see it in the Finale and maybe catch a full glimpse of Jacob. The rumor is that Jacob plays a big role in the finale - at least, there is a rumor out there that Jacob has been cast for this season and next.

Good theory on Widemore&#039;s motivation. As for how did Widemore get off island - I think he used the sub. Their issue was what he did off island. Essentially - he seemed to be placing his interests above the island&#039;s and that was his greatest crime.

That &quot;What Lies in the Shadow of the Statue&quot; line was intriguing. And, could it be taken two ways. The literal interpretation as in what rests where the statue&#039;s shadow falls and then on another level - what &quot;lies&quot; (mistruths&quot;). Sort of a dual meaning - i.e. What Lies Beneath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right. Now I&#8217;ve had a night to think about it and I am totally back pedaling on my Locke is Smokey theory. I&#8217;ve asked time and time again. Why do you people read this shite? I&#8217;m just the man behind the curtain. Smoke and mirrors, people.</p>
<p>But &#8211; there is no question that Locke will play a key role in the island&#8217;s design. Remember, he should have been the Chosen One years ago (Richard was present at his birth and later came to him with a test that Locke failed &#8211; that&#8217;s when he chose the knife and not the compass that Locke would later gift Richard while time traveling). And that set in motion the rise of an impostor &#8211; Ben &#8211; until the island flexed its muscles and pulled Locke to the island. Of course, Locke deviated once again &#8211; journeying off island but not even death could keep him away. And that is why he is back to life. The island needs him and will do anything to keep him alive &#8211; including raising him from the dead.</p>
<p>Now to answer some of the questions above:</p>
<p>@Carlos:   I don&#8217;t think Widemore wants to step one foot on that island until he knows its safe to do so. He knows what the island is capable of and certainly knows about the judging force that resides below the temple. My take is that Widemore wants to tame the island before he returns &#8211; which is probably a very fool hardy move.</p>
<p>As for his money, remember &#8211; he runs Widemore Industries. Alpert has Mittelos Bioscience. He&#8217;s always had an elite air abouot him but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if he&#8217;s used things learned on the island (the unique properties of the island) and found a way to profit from them. </p>
<p>As for last week&#8217;s episode, Alpert said he doesn&#8217;t answer to Widemore and Ellie (which is, indeed, Eloise Hawking &#8211; who we know is Faraday&#8217;s Mom). Which makes me wonder if Mrs. Hawking was booted from the island at some point too?</p>
<p>And this Nimoy casting has piqued my interest. I just threw Fringe in my DVR queue again. 3rd times a charm?</p>
<p>@Sean &#8211; Alex clearly told Ben that he WILL listen to everything Locke says and DO everything he is told. I think Ben is being kept alive because he is needed to help Locke along his path.</p>
<p>I think there is indeed, an above ground structure. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it is minimal by design &#8211; with the large, ancient wall obscuring what is on the other side. I bet we see it in the Finale and maybe catch a full glimpse of Jacob. The rumor is that Jacob plays a big role in the finale &#8211; at least, there is a rumor out there that Jacob has been cast for this season and next.</p>
<p>Good theory on Widemore&#8217;s motivation. As for how did Widemore get off island &#8211; I think he used the sub. Their issue was what he did off island. Essentially &#8211; he seemed to be placing his interests above the island&#8217;s and that was his greatest crime.</p>
<p>That &#8220;What Lies in the Shadow of the Statue&#8221; line was intriguing. And, could it be taken two ways. The literal interpretation as in what rests where the statue&#8217;s shadow falls and then on another level &#8211; what &#8220;lies&#8221; (mistruths&#8221;). Sort of a dual meaning &#8211; i.e. What Lies Beneath.</p>
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		<title>By: prfkttear</title>
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		<dc:creator>prfkttear</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 05:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if I fully bite into your &quot;Locke is Smokey&quot; theory, but I definitely think there is something different about this Locke, Locke 2.0 if you will. Of course we really haven&#039;t seen enough of him to really say anything yet.

I&#039;m glad they killed off Caesar! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if I fully bite into your &#8220;Locke is Smokey&#8221; theory, but I definitely think there is something different about this Locke, Locke 2.0 if you will. Of course we really haven&#8217;t seen enough of him to really say anything yet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad they killed off Caesar! <img src='http://www.edhumphries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 21:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been thinking about this all day and now no longer believe that Locke is the monster. But - he is in the fold - along with Christian to serve the island - that is for sure. Ah well - I needed something to keep my mind off Regis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been thinking about this all day and now no longer believe that Locke is the monster. But &#8211; he is in the fold &#8211; along with Christian to serve the island &#8211; that is for sure. Ah well &#8211; I needed something to keep my mind off Regis.</p>
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		<title>By: Aunt Sharon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aunt Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 20:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like the Locke theory, just not sure I am completely on board with it yet...if Locke is The Monster now, who was The Monster before? I had noticed the calm countenance of Locke now, no furrowed brow, no slight hyperventilating as he verbally works through his problems, the ever-so-slight whine in his voice...all gone...kind of like a Resurrection of sorts ( I was raised Catholic, ya&#039; know...I think that particular holiday is coming up). Maybe Ben is now the Doubting Thomas who believes his eyes, but not his spirit. The Egyptians believed in reincarnation, also Jack had to put something of Christian&#039;s in the coffin... Christian...coffin...resurrection...maybe Locke is now Jack&#039;s daddy.

And last season as evil Ben emerged as a character, I saw Michael Emerson on a talk show saying how he was actually a stand-up comedian...I can only assume that his career in that field may need a miracle to resurrect itself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like the Locke theory, just not sure I am completely on board with it yet&#8230;if Locke is The Monster now, who was The Monster before? I had noticed the calm countenance of Locke now, no furrowed brow, no slight hyperventilating as he verbally works through his problems, the ever-so-slight whine in his voice&#8230;all gone&#8230;kind of like a Resurrection of sorts ( I was raised Catholic, ya&#8217; know&#8230;I think that particular holiday is coming up). Maybe Ben is now the Doubting Thomas who believes his eyes, but not his spirit. The Egyptians believed in reincarnation, also Jack had to put something of Christian&#8217;s in the coffin&#8230; Christian&#8230;coffin&#8230;resurrection&#8230;maybe Locke is now Jack&#8217;s daddy.</p>
<p>And last season as evil Ben emerged as a character, I saw Michael Emerson on a talk show saying how he was actually a stand-up comedian&#8230;I can only assume that his career in that field may need a miracle to resurrect itself!</p>
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