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	<title>Comments on: Lost &#8211; &#8216;The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham&#8217; &#8211; 5.7</title>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.edhumphries.com/2009/02/lost-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham-57/#comment-4093</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 19:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Ed:

What&#039;s up with you and yors?  Acting like the &quot;Nerd&quot; perhaps.  Hope all is well</description>
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<p>What&#8217;s up with you and yors?  Acting like the &#8220;Nerd&#8221; perhaps.  Hope all is well</p>
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		<title>By: Telefizzled w.22 :: OB1og</title>
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		<dc:creator>Telefizzled w.22 :: OB1og</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Locke or not, kinda like Sawyer, but overall, this one felt a little flat to me. I slapped up some comments over on Ed&#8217;s post. Very little to choose from this week, so I guess I have to go with house-mom [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Locke or not, kinda like Sawyer, but overall, this one felt a little flat to me. I slapped up some comments over on Ed&#8217;s post. Very little to choose from this week, so I guess I have to go with house-mom [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
		<link>http://www.edhumphries.com/2009/02/lost-the-life-and-death-of-jeremy-bentham-57/#comment-4003</link>
		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 20:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, I have to say that this was one of the greatest episodes yet this season. Its been quite the roller-coaster ride, and I feel like I&#039;m getting answers thrown at me one after the other. I&#039;m ready to hang out and find out more, and here are a few theories/thoughts I&#039;ve come up with.

1. Matthew Abbadon: which can also be spelled Abaddon, is roughly translated from the bible as&quot;the angel of the bottomless pit.&quot; I just thought I would throw that out there for everyone to ponder. 

2. When Sun showed up on that dock that night a few episodes ago, she was there as a Widemore employee. I think that after she reunites with Jin (hopefully), that her employment to Mr. Widemore is going to play itself out, or there are going to be serious consequences. The whole who left with Frank thing got me thinking about this... there has to be some end game there. Either Sun will get Ben, or Widemore has instructions for her once she gets back to the island. 

3. I loved the contrast that was played out with Locke this week. When ever you see him in the &quot;real world&quot; he is a cripple, or helpless. He is again back in a wheelchair. I think this is just further evidence that he is destined to be on this island, and that he is also destined for something far more important that we can think of just yet. 

4. I wanted to say that I think the Ben v. Widemore needs to be expanded to Ben v. Widemore v. Richard. I feel like if Ben was truly evil and the island didn&#039;t need him, Richard would have let him die instead of saving his ass on several occasions. Ben is admittedly done several evil things to many of our island friends, but I think however evil these acts may be, they are a part of a much larger endgame that both Richard and Ben are aware of. Richard seems to be that missing link to everything.

I feel like if Widemore was really meant to still be on the island, and was going to play a larger role in everything we would have already seen him with Richard. Well at least more than the one time this season we saw them together. He has money and resources yes, but if he was so desperate to get back on the island, he would have been on that plane with the 6. He just would have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, I have to say that this was one of the greatest episodes yet this season. Its been quite the roller-coaster ride, and I feel like I&#8217;m getting answers thrown at me one after the other. I&#8217;m ready to hang out and find out more, and here are a few theories/thoughts I&#8217;ve come up with.</p>
<p>1. Matthew Abbadon: which can also be spelled Abaddon, is roughly translated from the bible as&#8221;the angel of the bottomless pit.&#8221; I just thought I would throw that out there for everyone to ponder. </p>
<p>2. When Sun showed up on that dock that night a few episodes ago, she was there as a Widemore employee. I think that after she reunites with Jin (hopefully), that her employment to Mr. Widemore is going to play itself out, or there are going to be serious consequences. The whole who left with Frank thing got me thinking about this&#8230; there has to be some end game there. Either Sun will get Ben, or Widemore has instructions for her once she gets back to the island. </p>
<p>3. I loved the contrast that was played out with Locke this week. When ever you see him in the &#8220;real world&#8221; he is a cripple, or helpless. He is again back in a wheelchair. I think this is just further evidence that he is destined to be on this island, and that he is also destined for something far more important that we can think of just yet. </p>
<p>4. I wanted to say that I think the Ben v. Widemore needs to be expanded to Ben v. Widemore v. Richard. I feel like if Ben was truly evil and the island didn&#8217;t need him, Richard would have let him die instead of saving his ass on several occasions. Ben is admittedly done several evil things to many of our island friends, but I think however evil these acts may be, they are a part of a much larger endgame that both Richard and Ben are aware of. Richard seems to be that missing link to everything.</p>
<p>I feel like if Widemore was really meant to still be on the island, and was going to play a larger role in everything we would have already seen him with Richard. Well at least more than the one time this season we saw them together. He has money and resources yes, but if he was so desperate to get back on the island, he would have been on that plane with the 6. He just would have.</p>
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		<title>By: Sarah Phillips</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sarah Phillips</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 04:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for another good LOST recap!! your brain is always a few steps ahead of mine!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for another good LOST recap!! your brain is always a few steps ahead of mine!</p>
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		<title>By: Sean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 01:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boats: Aren&#039;t these the same boats the Others would use to get about when in *disguise*? I&#039;m with Ed, they were at the Hydra station and Locke is definitely looking longingly at his island as he eats his mango.

Walt: My thought was the people surrounding Locke in Walt&#039;s dream are the 316ers. I can&#039;t imagine these people are going to be very happy to find out they are crashed because the Oceanic 5, Ben and Locke needed to get back to the island.

Who ended up when: I think Frank is with some other girl, maybe that flight attendant, and not Sun. My assumption was that once we saw Ben at the end of the episode, all the Oceanic 5 flashed to the past, so that means Sun and Sayid too, they just didn&#039;t end up in the same location as Kate, Hurley and Jack. I think the 5 of them are connected to Juliet, Jin, Sawyer, etc. in time or because of that pesky Constant thing. Locke might have been disconnected from them because he left separately and/or was dead.

Sacrifice: I think Locke had to be willing to sacrifice himself, but also because of the religious connections they have already started establishing, he could not kill himself. Ben talked him down to prevent the suicide and then got more info out of him. Having gotten everything he needed, he took care of it straightaway. If he didn&#039;t get everything he needed, I assume he could have waited.

Ben v. Widemore: I think both are quasi-evil. Both are pretenders to the throne. My thoughts from when we first saw the whiny young Widemore were that he had been chosen as the leader by Richard. He passed the test, but I think he might have been a false leader just like Ben. I agree that Locke is the true leader and the other two just want that back, but they both know they need Locke for something to make that happen. Both are bastards, but Widemore is a bit more charismatic.

Widemore: I too wondered why he wouldn&#039;t just hop on that flight if he knew it was going to get him back to the island, but that assumes he can/wants to return. Ben left and was able to return, so I think Widemore does not want to go back at this time, but eventually does. He&#039;s probably busy running the show, preparing for this war, on the outside.

Caesar: Once I saw him tearing thru the papers I figured he was a Widemore employee. He and the marshal would seem to be the leaders of this new tribe and it would now seem obvious that they are the ones that start shooting at Locke, Juliet and company after they stole one of the boats. He seems like bad news and certainly quick on his feet to pull that flashlight instead of the boomstick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boats: Aren&#8217;t these the same boats the Others would use to get about when in *disguise*? I&#8217;m with Ed, they were at the Hydra station and Locke is definitely looking longingly at his island as he eats his mango.</p>
<p>Walt: My thought was the people surrounding Locke in Walt&#8217;s dream are the 316ers. I can&#8217;t imagine these people are going to be very happy to find out they are crashed because the Oceanic 5, Ben and Locke needed to get back to the island.</p>
<p>Who ended up when: I think Frank is with some other girl, maybe that flight attendant, and not Sun. My assumption was that once we saw Ben at the end of the episode, all the Oceanic 5 flashed to the past, so that means Sun and Sayid too, they just didn&#8217;t end up in the same location as Kate, Hurley and Jack. I think the 5 of them are connected to Juliet, Jin, Sawyer, etc. in time or because of that pesky Constant thing. Locke might have been disconnected from them because he left separately and/or was dead.</p>
<p>Sacrifice: I think Locke had to be willing to sacrifice himself, but also because of the religious connections they have already started establishing, he could not kill himself. Ben talked him down to prevent the suicide and then got more info out of him. Having gotten everything he needed, he took care of it straightaway. If he didn&#8217;t get everything he needed, I assume he could have waited.</p>
<p>Ben v. Widemore: I think both are quasi-evil. Both are pretenders to the throne. My thoughts from when we first saw the whiny young Widemore were that he had been chosen as the leader by Richard. He passed the test, but I think he might have been a false leader just like Ben. I agree that Locke is the true leader and the other two just want that back, but they both know they need Locke for something to make that happen. Both are bastards, but Widemore is a bit more charismatic.</p>
<p>Widemore: I too wondered why he wouldn&#8217;t just hop on that flight if he knew it was going to get him back to the island, but that assumes he can/wants to return. Ben left and was able to return, so I think Widemore does not want to go back at this time, but eventually does. He&#8217;s probably busy running the show, preparing for this war, on the outside.</p>
<p>Caesar: Once I saw him tearing thru the papers I figured he was a Widemore employee. He and the marshal would seem to be the leaders of this new tribe and it would now seem obvious that they are the ones that start shooting at Locke, Juliet and company after they stole one of the boats. He seems like bad news and certainly quick on his feet to pull that flashlight instead of the boomstick.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First - Locke has been my favorite character since the first season episode, Walkabout, when we got the twist that he was paralyzed and could now walk. My take is that Locke has been meant for great things but his inate nature to doubt himself (pre-island) and his Daddy issues coupled with abandonment his entire life have conspired to keep him from achieving that greatness. Remember, we saw Richard Alpert present at Locke&#039;s birth and then Richard appraoched him as young boy with a series of tests (a la the way the Dhali Lama is chosen). Locke has always been this island&#039;s leader. He just needed to chase all these ghosts that haunt him. Essentially, his life has been one GIANT test. Bottom line - Terry O&#039;Quinn is the man. What a role!!!

On Ben - He definitely knew of Eloise Hawking but did not know she was in LA. I think that was new info to Ben.

On Widemore - He says he was theleader of the Others but that&#039;s his story. I&#039;m sure Ben has a different tale to tell. Personally, I think they are both liars aiming to manipulate Locke to their own ends and I think in the end, Locke stays with the island and those two fall by the wayside.

As for Frank, Son, Sayid, etc... I think these are little teases to things we&#039;ll learn in coming episodes. I think this season will build to all parties getting back together in the same timeline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First &#8211; Locke has been my favorite character since the first season episode, Walkabout, when we got the twist that he was paralyzed and could now walk. My take is that Locke has been meant for great things but his inate nature to doubt himself (pre-island) and his Daddy issues coupled with abandonment his entire life have conspired to keep him from achieving that greatness. Remember, we saw Richard Alpert present at Locke&#8217;s birth and then Richard appraoched him as young boy with a series of tests (a la the way the Dhali Lama is chosen). Locke has always been this island&#8217;s leader. He just needed to chase all these ghosts that haunt him. Essentially, his life has been one GIANT test. Bottom line &#8211; Terry O&#8217;Quinn is the man. What a role!!!</p>
<p>On Ben &#8211; He definitely knew of Eloise Hawking but did not know she was in LA. I think that was new info to Ben.</p>
<p>On Widemore &#8211; He says he was theleader of the Others but that&#8217;s his story. I&#8217;m sure Ben has a different tale to tell. Personally, I think they are both liars aiming to manipulate Locke to their own ends and I think in the end, Locke stays with the island and those two fall by the wayside.</p>
<p>As for Frank, Son, Sayid, etc&#8230; I think these are little teases to things we&#8217;ll learn in coming episodes. I think this season will build to all parties getting back together in the same timeline.</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Joe On Locke, definitely.  Not trying to dis the guy, just that it reminded us of some of those flashbacks.  Awesome character really.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Joe On Locke, definitely.  Not trying to dis the guy, just that it reminded us of some of those flashbacks.  Awesome character really.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My question is who was the woman that Frank left with on the third boat. Why would it be Sun? Why would she (and Ben for that matter) crash with the plane and Hurley, Kate and Jack be removed from the plane by the light? I can see the theory of why Locke was there since he was dead at the time. Also, where is Syaid? The woman who Locke was talking to was the one that had Sayid in cutody, correct? So she is at the crash site, but he appears not to be. 

I also think Ben killed Locke when he heard Eloise&#039;s name. It is strange because on one hand he tells him he is important and not hang himself and then he kills him. After he cleans up he says goodbye like he is never going to see him again. Then why bring his body on the plane. Jack had already committed to going back and Ben was the one who told him to take Locke with them. You wonder if Ben will be expecting Locke there when he wakes up or will be surprised? It is so hard to tell what his angle is. 

Also, Eloise seem not to like Ben. Her comment when asked if he was telling the truth as &quot;probably not&quot;. So it seem weird that she is helping him. Although she seems to think there is a greater good to getting everyone back to the island and has to put up with Ben as he is the one gathering the folks to go back. A necessary evil. 

I also wonder why Widemore would put a proxy on the plan and not go back himself? If that person Caeser even works for Widemore...I agree Ed, Ben would be either dead or at least tied up if he knew who he was. 

On a comedy note and the reason I like Hurley...when he thinks Locke is dead because he has been seeing and talking to Charlie and Ecko and asks the nurse am I talking to dude in a wheelchair right now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question is who was the woman that Frank left with on the third boat. Why would it be Sun? Why would she (and Ben for that matter) crash with the plane and Hurley, Kate and Jack be removed from the plane by the light? I can see the theory of why Locke was there since he was dead at the time. Also, where is Syaid? The woman who Locke was talking to was the one that had Sayid in cutody, correct? So she is at the crash site, but he appears not to be. </p>
<p>I also think Ben killed Locke when he heard Eloise&#8217;s name. It is strange because on one hand he tells him he is important and not hang himself and then he kills him. After he cleans up he says goodbye like he is never going to see him again. Then why bring his body on the plane. Jack had already committed to going back and Ben was the one who told him to take Locke with them. You wonder if Ben will be expecting Locke there when he wakes up or will be surprised? It is so hard to tell what his angle is. </p>
<p>Also, Eloise seem not to like Ben. Her comment when asked if he was telling the truth as &#8220;probably not&#8221;. So it seem weird that she is helping him. Although she seems to think there is a greater good to getting everyone back to the island and has to put up with Ben as he is the one gathering the folks to go back. A necessary evil. </p>
<p>I also wonder why Widemore would put a proxy on the plan and not go back himself? If that person Caeser even works for Widemore&#8230;I agree Ed, Ben would be either dead or at least tied up if he knew who he was. </p>
<p>On a comedy note and the reason I like Hurley&#8230;when he thinks Locke is dead because he has been seeing and talking to Charlie and Ecko and asks the nurse am I talking to dude in a wheelchair right now?</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that Locke is just a loser on the mainland - I think he&#039;s susceptible to &#039;the con&#039; on or off the island.  It&#039;s his nature, and nature doesn&#039;t ever change fully.  I think much like he was played by his father when his kidney was taken, I think he&#039;s getting played by both Widemore and Ben - each one is using Locke like a naive pawn in their end-game for the island. Heck, even the island/Jacob/Christian are pushing him around in directions, like a chess piece being lined up to be taken by the King (or Queen, maybe ;) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that Locke is just a loser on the mainland &#8211; I think he&#8217;s susceptible to &#8216;the con&#8217; on or off the island.  It&#8217;s his nature, and nature doesn&#8217;t ever change fully.  I think much like he was played by his father when his kidney was taken, I think he&#8217;s getting played by both Widemore and Ben &#8211; each one is using Locke like a naive pawn in their end-game for the island. Heck, even the island/Jacob/Christian are pushing him around in directions, like a chess piece being lined up to be taken by the King (or Queen, maybe <img src='http://www.edhumphries.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  )</p>
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		<title>By: Carlos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carlos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 16:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ed Thanks.  It was your posts that told me the rat&#039;s name in the first place though! Good point on Ben confronting Eloise and her potential ultimatum.  We haven&#039;t seen all that and he probably was given the ultimatum.  I mean, he left him for dead, for the authorities to find.  Then he probably went to see Eloise and then had to go acquire the body and find Jack &amp; co.  As far as why Ben brought him back, Eloise made him and maybe he didn&#039;t know he&#039;d be resurrected?  Or care if he was. He probably, as he always does, has answers for Locke once he has to face him again.  He was just so callous with the kill, and did not seem like that he thought Locke would be seen again.  And I&#039;m still on Widemore- why wouldn&#039;t he have gotten on the plane??  @prfkttear- good point on Locke and the loser stuff, it did bring that back...Did Ben know about Hawking is a big question, I think no and once he found out is why he killed him.  Desire and or need to bring him back has to do after the fact.  I dont think the Ajira survivors are in the same time, but they are on another island...they could be in the same time...Who made the boats is another good question...we&#039;ll see..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ed Thanks.  It was your posts that told me the rat&#8217;s name in the first place though! Good point on Ben confronting Eloise and her potential ultimatum.  We haven&#8217;t seen all that and he probably was given the ultimatum.  I mean, he left him for dead, for the authorities to find.  Then he probably went to see Eloise and then had to go acquire the body and find Jack &amp; co.  As far as why Ben brought him back, Eloise made him and maybe he didn&#8217;t know he&#8217;d be resurrected?  Or care if he was. He probably, as he always does, has answers for Locke once he has to face him again.  He was just so callous with the kill, and did not seem like that he thought Locke would be seen again.  And I&#8217;m still on Widemore- why wouldn&#8217;t he have gotten on the plane??  @prfkttear- good point on Locke and the loser stuff, it did bring that back&#8230;Did Ben know about Hawking is a big question, I think no and once he found out is why he killed him.  Desire and or need to bring him back has to do after the fact.  I dont think the Ajira survivors are in the same time, but they are on another island&#8230;they could be in the same time&#8230;Who made the boats is another good question&#8230;we&#8217;ll see..</p>
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